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Interview with Marc Johnson
of Executioner
January 2009 by Metal Mark |
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Executioner were a Boston area thrash band that was around in the
mid-late 1980's. My first exposure to Executioner came when I heard
their track "Victims of Evil" on the compilation "Speed Metal Hell"
back in 1985. Not long after that I purchased their debut "In The
Name of Metal" on vinyl and played it repeatedly. In 1987 their
sophomore album "Break the Silence" was released and I happily
bought it on cassette and played that one continuously as well. I
remember in high school always trying to loan or record those albums
for anyone who might be interested. I always liked the band and felt
like other people should know about them as well. In the late 80's
there was talk that the band had recorded a third album, but it
wasn't released then and they broke up. Over the years there have
been gaps about what happened with this band and although that third
album did eventually come out on CD over a decade after it was
recorded, the first two releases have yet to get released on that
format. I remember buying an Executioner t-shirt from
vocalist/guitarist Marc Johnson through the mail over twenty years
ago. Now I recently had the pleasure of interviewing him to find out
more about what happened with Executioner.
Hello, what are you currently up to?
Currently, I teach high school English in Revere, a city just north
of Boston. Dan is a conductor for CSX Railroad, and our last bass
player, Tommy Flynn, has his own plumbing business.
Executioner formed in 1984 (I believe). How
did the band form?
Executioner formed in 1984, when Ari Vainio and I found Dan Scannell
through a musician referral service. The band was originally called
Last Generation, but when we quickly changed musical direction, Dan
offered the name Executioner and we decided to go with that.
Who were your musical influences?
Our musical influences varied. Originally we were influenced largely
by classic metal, Iron Maiden, Priest, Ozzy; but as metal evolved,
we became more influenced by newer bands like Metallica, Slayer,
Anthrax and Manowar.
What was the Boston club scene like around
84-87? What bands did you open for?
The club scene was changing from '84 to '87. Punk and metal were
crossing over, so we played with a variety of bands including
Megadeth, Manowar, Kreator and Voi Vod, but also D.R.I., Gang Green
and the F.U.'s/Straw Dogs.
Did you guys go through the whole sending out
demo tapes and handing out fliers type of promotion?
We sent demos to the bigger indie labels at that time: Megaforce,
Metal Blade, Combat and eventually New Renaissance. We also handed
out TONS of flyers for our local shows. Flyers were a huge form of
promotion back then.
You had “Victim of Evil” on New Renaissance’s
Speed Metal Hell compilation in 1985. How did that come about?
New Renaissance simply selected "Victims of Evil" from our first
demo tape for their first Speed Metal Hell compilation.
How did you get signed by New Renaissance?
Were there any other labels interested in you as well? If so then
what labels?
"Victims of Evil" was well received on Speed Metal Hell, and as a
result, NR offered us a two album contract, which we took. We did
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What
was the band’s relationship with New Renaissance like?
We had a fairly good relationship with NR. I think we saw it for
what it was. We never expected to sell millions of records on New
Ren, but it seemed like a good place to start, and at least get our
music out. New Ren was very do-it-yourself, which made for minimal
financial support, but part of me still kind of liked as it made for
minimal creative interference. We worked back in Boston to get our
self-financed recordings done, and then booked two nationwide
tours--the first we booked ourselves, and the second was booked by a
real cool punk booking agent, Johnny Stiff, out of New York. We paid
for all our own recordings, but New Ren did give us a little bit of
support on our second tour. I think we had a realistic expectation
of what could come from the label, and because of that, our
relationship was pretty good.
One of my friends bought this video that you
used to sell and it had several shows on it. There was one show
where you threw a vinyl copy of “In the Name of Metal” out to the
crowd and it broke. Did you often throw albums out to the crowd? I
would imagine that a lot of them got broken with everyone trying to
grab them, was that true?
Funny, I only threw that one record out into the crowd, and I never
knew it broke (if, in fact, it did). I just did it to draw attention
to the release of our first album. It's ironic that it was all
captured on video, as it was a one-time thing.
I have read some reviews of “In the Name of
Metal” by people who loved it and then some magazines absolutely
hated it. It seemed like there wasn't any middle ground in response
to that album. Do you think that's true if so then why?
In The Name Of Metal is an odd record. Much of the production is
very poor. We had almost no studio experience, and were often misled
production-wise, especially when recording speed metal tracks.
However, some of the slower and mid-paced songs seem to hold up ok.
Overall, it is an odd mix of influences. Ari and I co-wrote a lot of
that material, which made for some, at least fairly, original
material. Ari's influences were far more diverse than my own. He
liked everything from the Ramones to The Clash to Venom. In truth,
he was a much more original composer. I was more a copycat--the
majority of the songs I wrote were directly inspired by who I was
listening to that day, lol. "In The Name Of Metal" itself was
written during my Manowar month! Overall though, to try to answer
your question, the album is diverse, and I think that while some
people really appreciated the scope of having punkier tracks like
"Stand Up And Fight" fused with thrashier ones like "Victims Of
Evil", other people bought it expecting pure thrash and just didn't
know what to make of it. They then ended up dismissing the whole
disc.What are some of your favorite songs
on that album and why?
My favorite tracks are "Stand Up And Fight", and "Hell And Back"
(both of which were mainly written by Ari). I like both of these
songs for their originality. I think they represent the most
inspired songwriting on the album. As a result, I feel they hold up
over time (the ultimate test in my mind) the best. Interestingly, I
have often thought lately that the closing lyrics to Stand Up And
Fight are eerily relevant to our current war in Iraq.
Was original bass player Ari Vianio really
kicked out of the band because he got his hair cut?
Ari was kicked out because he could not handle the pressures of the
first tour. This resulted in his punching our van in Texas so hard
that he broke his hand; and thus, in our being forced to cancel the
rest of the tour.
Your second release “Break the Silence” has
re-recordings of a few tracks that were on the debut. Why do you
re-record those songs?
We re-recorded those tracks because we were very unhappy with their
production on ITNOM. Ann Boleyn cautioned us against doing this, and
she was right. It was a mistake, as it made people less likely to
buy an album with songs they'd already heard (and in some cases,
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Did
you approach writing and recording “Break the Silence” any
differently than on the debut?
Unlike the debut, all the new material on Break The Silence was
written by me. Therefore, the new material moved in a much more
of-the-moment speed metal sound. This basically made for solid,
albeit less original, songs. We also pared down the production to a
more bare-bones sound, which worked well, I thought. In many cased,
ITNOM was simply over-produced, where as the production on "Break
The Silence" better captured the essence of the band's sound.
Lastly, Break The Silence did produce what I would say is the band's
best cut. The last gasp of Ari's influence can be heard on
Terminally Ill, and to this day, I feel it is our strongest track.
What was Seth Putnam like to work with? Where
did you find him at?
Seth had been friends with Dan and myself for some time up until
1986. He was even a roadie on the tour when Ari broke his hand.
Therefore, he was a natural fit as a new bass player. Initially,
Seth was great to work with, but as Executioner began to wane a
little and Seth became more involved in his own projects, our
relationship deteriorated.
Then you recorded a third album that I believe
it was originally going to be called “In Cold Blood”. When was that
recorded and did you get any label interest?
In Cold Blood was recorded in 1988. I would say it is by far our
best production, although as for the songwriting, I'd say we were
really just beginning to sound derivative of my influences. I do
feel that on those tracks, we finally got the production quality to
where we wanted it. Unfortunately, it did not attract major label
attention, which is what we were seeking. We then considered
releasing it on our own, but that idea faded, as the challenge
seemed too daunting.When and why did the
band break up? Did you play in any other bands after that?
The band broke up in 1989, and neither Dan, nor Tommy, nor I played
in any other bands. Executioner ended because we were limited by my
songwriting ability and we were never going to be a great band, or
even a great enough band to make a living playing music. More and
more over time, I see now that ultimate success hinges on
songwriting/creativity, and as I mentioned, my songwriting tended to
chase the latest trend; whereas the truly great bands who have
endured (Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth--not to mention auteurs like
Nirvana) were all genuinely original, and ahead of the curve. Also,
I had begun to develop other interests at that time, and we were
each at an age where we needed to focus on some kind of financially
viable career.
“The Storm After The Calm” came out earlier
this decade. Is that the same material that was going to be “In Cold
Blood” (minus the fake live tracks)? I think I bought my copy on
eBay from drummer Dan Scannell. Was it just Dan who put “The Storm
After The Calm” together or did you have input into it well?
Dan and I worked together to put out "The Storm After The Calm"
(although the title was suggested by a student of mine at that time,
Roman Temin). It is, as you say, "In Cold Blood", less the
live-in-the-studio tracks (with fake audience--inspired by Slayer's
"Live Undead" EP).
Have you had any talks with New Renaissance
about releasing “In the Name of Metal” and “Break the Silence” on
CD?
New Renaissance mentioned perhaps wanting to release ITNOM and
"Break The Silence" on CD, but we never had any serious discussions.
Do you have any regrets in your music career?
Happily, I cannot say that I have any real regrets regarding my
music career. It was an amazing adventure that I wouldn't trade for
anything. I got to play music, meet lots of cool people and see the
country. I guess, if anything at all, I might wish that Ari had
remained in the band, as I think his original songwriting might have
lifted the ceiling on what we could have accomplished. Overall
though, the '80's were a great time to being playing metal music,
and I just feel really lucky to have played a little part in all of
it.
Is there anything else that you would to say
about your band, your music or anything else?
So, thanks for the interview! Thanks to those who read it; and if
anyone out there has some time, throw on an old Executioner song. If
it takes you back to a fond memory, I couldn't ask for more. |
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